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21 minutes ago, Я́ков Миха́йлович Юро́вски said:

Are you deliberately conflating latent homosexuals and homophobes?

Is it deliberate dishonesty or just your knuckles scraping on the ground again?

 

Sutt, what are you angry about today? I would think the vast majority of us on here aren't homophobes, or care who is a Vegan or who isn't.

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Yet again ignoring Muzzin's ability to get the puck to the forwards. More like you're stuck in 2004 and think a non PP specialist defensemen are all Derian Hatcher. And predictably crying about sexual

Because Dubas sits down to pee and Steve is a totally stable genius.

Good thing we're not playing against Ayers in any of those games.

13 hours ago, Morrison7 said:

Marner multiple times this season after poor performances has talked about how he wasn't into it that game. The fact he wasn't ready for Game 1 after 5 months off is mind-boggling. 

I can think of many players that were not ready for games 1-5 after a 5 month layoff. One of them has Alfredsson-style golden locks and played 2nd line Center in game 5.

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8 hours ago, Я́ков Миха́йлович Юро́вски said:

Anything is possible if you lie.

I'm only here anyway for blistering 'hockey content' like how Dubas sits down to pee and is a soyboy. You know, real relevant on-ice stuff like that, that in no way is a peek into a weak and deeply underdeveloped mind. Or several weak and deeply underdeveloped minds, actually.

Dumb and intellectually dishonest. JD is arguing on your side and he's the dumbest motherfucker ever. And not one of you recks on that.

You dumb dumb dumb motherfuckers. Crack on Luddites.

Poor Jodi, lashing out at people because he blames the world for all his failures in life.

Either post something constructive or STFU.

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21 minutes ago, Я́ков Миха́йлович Юро́вски said:

Are you deliberately conflating latent homosexuals and homophobes?

Is it deliberate dishonesty or just your knuckles scraping on the ground again?

 

Go get some help. I'm worried for you.

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46 minutes ago, Doc J said:

Curious to see if anyone agrees with this.

Not sure that I do.  The only guys currently on the leafs that play with grit are Hyman and Muzzin.  Safe to say they’ve played that way since joining the league.   The closest I could get was Kapanen for about 2 1/2 weeks this season before the shutdown.  Looked like he was showing signs of adding that element, but the playoff no-show would seem to douse that notion.  


Couldnt really come up with any past leafs that “became” gritty players, either.

Can you actually develop grit?

 

First my definition of grit.

Extreme competitiveness. A consuming distaste for losing.

Can you develop this at an NHL level. No.

 I see it in 4 year olds, in their interaction with playmates.

Having said that, it's not an absolute, there are degrees of grit.

Unfortunately, it's of a very low degree in almost all the present Leafs.

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5 minutes ago, StepOnYou said:

I can think of many players that were not ready for games 1-5 after a 5 month layoff. One of them has Alfredsson-style golden locks and played 2nd line Center in game 5.

“I really don’t like Marner...”

Says the guy who attempts to deflect blame to Nylander, as if he’s the one making Tavares money and is on record of saying he “just wasn’t into it” multiple times after poor performances.

Nice try though, 10 watt.

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3 hours ago, Morrison7 said:

“I really don’t like Marner...”

Says the guy who attempts to deflect blame to Nylander, as if he’s the one making Tavares money and is on record of saying he “just wasn’t into it” multiple times after poor performances.

Nice try though, 10 watt.

It's pretty obvious that you think that Nylander bashing could come back in fashion. You're also worried that Nylander isn't considered a core player and a future part of this team. All this speculation out there about him getting traded could come to fruition. So you are going to try your damnedest to bash Marner at every turn and on several hockey forums. 

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3 hours ago, JockDent said:

First my definition of grit.

Extreme competitiveness. A consuming distaste for losing.

Can you develop this at an NHL level. No.

 I see it in 4 year olds, in their interaction with playmates.

Having said that, it's not an absolute, there are degrees of grit.

Unfortunately, it's of a very low degree in almost all the present Leafs.

I agree with this. I also believe that you cannot easily teach defense. You either got it or you don't. Some people naturally try to prevent the other team from scoring. Not every player wills that. 

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1 minute ago, StepOnYou said:

It's pretty obvious that you think that Nylander bashing could come back in fashion. You're also worried that Nylander isn't considered a core player and a future part of this team. All this speculation out there about him getting traded could come to fruition. So you are going to try your damnedest to bash Marner at every turn and on several hockey forums. 

Marner with his salary and complete lack of giving a fuck all season long warrants criticism. The Toronto media has been trying to trade Nylander for over two years now, it's nothing new.

Nice assumptions otherwise, 10 watt.

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2 minutes ago, Morrison7 said:

Marner with his salary and complete lack of giving a fuck all season long warrants criticism. The Toronto media has been trying to trade Nylander for over two years now, it's nothing new.

Nice assumptions otherwise, 10 watt.

The GM of a hockey team does the trading and signs players to contracts

 The media and fans don't make trades! 10 watt.

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4 hours ago, Doc J said:

Curious to see if anyone agrees with this.

Not sure that I do.  The only guys currently on the leafs that play with grit are Hyman and Muzzin.  Safe to say they’ve played that way since joining the league.   The closest I could get was Kapanen for about 2 1/2 weeks this season before the shutdown.  Looked like he was showing signs of adding that element, but the playoff no-show would seem to douse that notion.  


Couldnt really come up with any past leafs that “became” gritty players, either.

Can you actually develop grit?

 

 

3 hours ago, JockDent said:

First my definition of grit.

Extreme competitiveness. A consuming distaste for losing.

Can you develop this at an NHL level. No.

 I see it in 4 year olds, in their interaction with playmates.

Having said that, it's not an absolute, there are degrees of grit.

Unfortunately, it's of a very low degree in almost all the present Leafs.

I disagree completely.   Just because there are players who never do develop this, doesn't mean that Matthews didn't.   I suspect you guys both have short memories of how his first two playoffs went, well, let me remind you.  He never went into any corner, he never won any puck battle along the board, and he never went to the front of the net.    He used his shot to generate offense and it was successful in moments, and mostly not successful.

This year he retrieves every puck, wins almost every battle, and uses his strength and size in a physical manner and it showed very clearly in his dominance over the series.  

Simply put, I think you both are completely wrong.  

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1 minute ago, Dog Taker said:

 

I disagree completely.   Just because there are players who never do develop this, doesn't mean that Matthews didn't.   I suspect you guys both have short memories of how his first two playoffs went, well, let me remind you.  He never went into any corner, he never won any puck battle along the board, and he never went to the front of the net.    He used his shot to generate offense and it was successful in moments, and mostly not successful.

This year he retrieves every puck, wins almost every battle, and uses his strength and size in a physical manner and it showed very clearly in his dominance over the series.  

Simply put, I think you both are completely wrong.  

I think Matthews is ok. He has great skill. I wouldn't call him a gritty player.

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4 minutes ago, StepOnYou said:

I think Matthews is ok. He has great skill. I wouldn't call him a gritty player.

well, you first have to explain what you think grit is.   luckily, the conversation preceded me and was already established:

3 hours ago, JockDent said:

First my definition of grit.

Extreme competitiveness. A consuming distaste for losing.

Can you develop this at an NHL level. No.

so this would be a willingness to 'do whatever it took to win,' aka blocking shots, winning puck battles along the boards, going into the corners, going to the front of the net, etc, etc.'   under this definition, literally in the post i responded to, matthews not only falls under most categories, he previously did not in a single one.   so..... i think the idea that a player simply can't become 'gritty' has been proven wrong. 

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31 minutes ago, PIPERSMAN63 said:

@Dog Taker, To me grit isn't about fighting or even making a huge hit. It is the guy that wins the puck battles in the corner or along the boards. Just a very competitive player with a will to win.

In the National Non-contact Hockey League (NNCHL) you might call that grit.

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52 minutes ago, PIPERSMAN63 said:

Great response. I can see why Morri refers to you as 10 Watt.

I think Morri is pretty dim himself. Once he decides to leave the safety of his parents' basement he might learn a thing or two. 

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1 hour ago, Dog Taker said:

well, you first have to explain what you think grit is.   luckily, the conversation preceded me and was already established:

so this would be a willingness to 'do whatever it took to win,' aka blocking shots, winning puck battles along the boards, going into the corners, going to the front of the net, etc, etc.'   under this definition, literally in the post i responded to, matthews not only falls under most categories, he previously did not in a single one.   so..... i think the idea that a player simply can't become 'gritty' has been proven wrong. 

This is like Kapanen’s month before the stoppage to me.  In much the same way that Matt Martin having a 4 pts in 4 games stretch doesn’t mean he’s now looked at as an offensive contributor, or has learned a new skill.  He went to the net and got rewarded.  
 

Also, I think a key a part missing from the definitions of grit I’ve seen thus far is the willingness not to throw hits, but take them.  The will to sacrifice the body, repeatedly and often for the smallest of gains.  In this area again, we have only Hyman and Muzzin that fit the bill.  
 

Matthews turned up his intensity, and tried to take the team on his back at times in the series.  Showed real leadership.  It was great to see.  But suggesting hes now a gritty player because of 4 games is a leap.

 

It should be obvious, but I want to be clear, this is in no way a knock on Matthews at all.  He’s taken serious strides towards becoming a more complete player.  Literally no one I’d trade the kid for.  
 

 

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2 hours ago, Dog Taker said:

 

I disagree completely.   Just because there are players who never do develop this, doesn't mean that Matthews didn't.   I suspect you guys both have short memories of how his first two playoffs went, well, let me remind you.  He never went into any corner, he never won any puck battle along the board, and he never went to the front of the net.    He used his shot to generate offense and it was successful in moments, and mostly not successful.

This year he retrieves every puck, wins almost every battle, and uses his strength and size in a physical manner and it showed very clearly in his dominance over the series.  

Simply put, I think you both are completely wrong.  

There are always exceptions to every rule, but as Doc said, I want to see it for more than 4 games before I call him gritty.

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